(Defender) Upgrade for the shielder - IMPLEMENTED

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(Defender) Upgrade for the shielder - IMPLEMENTED

Post by Alexander82 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:30 am

I was thinking of an upgrade for the shielder.
It should just be a slow but anti-ranged infantry unit
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Post by COOLguy » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:41 pm

+1
(But I don't think the name is very good :P )
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Post by Alexander82 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:58 pm

Yep. It was just a try. I'm open to suggestions :D
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Post by Darkknight » Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:41 pm

What about Hoplites

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Post by ejm29 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:59 pm

Good idea! It shielders are very unused right now.
I think "hoplites" may cause confusion. :)

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Post by Endru1241 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:12 pm

Maybe "Defender"

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Post by Alexander82 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:17 pm

Daniel can you move the topic in the infantry section? My mistake ;)
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Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Post by Alexander82 » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:57 pm

Stats:
Hp: 26
attack: 9
Armor: 2
Pierce armor: 6
Speed: 3
Sight: 4
I also would raise the base shielder speed to 3. It is also weaker than a normal swordman isn't it?
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Post by COOLguy » Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:42 am

No. It is balanced to the swordman now. If his speed were 3, he would be way stronger than the swordman.
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Post by Alexander82 » Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:36 am

Even with reduced attack?
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Post by COOLguy » Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:48 pm

If his attack was much lower than the swordman's he would be useless. Remember, he has waaaay more armor than the swordman and costs the same.

The reason he was slower, is because he has more armor to weigh him down. :)
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Post by Alexander82 » Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:20 pm

then similar attack, more armor and slower movement?
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Post by Darkknight » Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:46 pm

Alexander82 wrote:then similar attack, more armor and slower movement?
Only similar attack and more armorm Slower movement will make it useless. One of the reason why people dont use shielders are because they are slow. Making them slowing will make them useless.

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Post by Alexander82 » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:01 pm

That's true, they should get much more armor and hp to become at least "guardians" for tcs
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Post by COOLguy » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:33 pm

That sounds good.

What should the name be?
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Post by HokanPL » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:36 pm

Defender?

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Post by Alexander82 » Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:03 pm

Good. By seeing that also the halberdier is having a 2nd upgrade i'm thinking that we might do a

Shielder->Defender->Guardian
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Post by Alexander82 » Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:12 pm

how's that?
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Post by COOLguy » Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:25 pm

Looks pretty good. I think though the Guardian will be undefeatable. Most units will only to put max 3 damage on him which will allow him to take like 10 hits. :) We should put the normal armor to 2 for the Defender and then 3 or 4.

Let's start with planning the Defender before we go to the Guardian. Do you have an image idea for him? I was thinking like using the broadswordsman as a base with a slightly larger version of the shielder's shield.
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Post by HokanPL » Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:33 pm

Endru1241 wrote:Maybe "Defender"
Sorry, Endru, I didn't read your post and I have proposed "Defender" one more time :P

As you all can see, this is perfect name! :lol:

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Post by Alexander82 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:04 am

I think that we might just add the shielder's shield to current units and see how it looks
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Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Post by COOLguy » Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:29 pm

HokanPL wrote:
Endru1241 wrote:Maybe "Defender"
Sorry, Endru, I didn't read your post and I have proposed "Defender" one more time :P

As you all can see, this is perfect name! :lol:
Lol :D
Alexander82 wrote:I think that we might just add the shielder's shield to current units and see how it looks
Good idea!
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Post by Alexander82 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:43 pm

Done, i also uploaded the original shielder image for a comparison
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Post by Alexander82 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:45 pm

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Also in these versions shield is slightly higher
I prefer the previous versions, but this is more similar to the original position, i think.
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Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Post by Darkknight » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:18 pm

The images looks nice but i think it will look better if they had thiner swords. They currently look like they have a high attack because of thier swords

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Post by Alexander82 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:26 pm

These are the original blades of the units, moreover the units have just -2 attack compared to their counterparts
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Post by RiverRaider 1097 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:14 pm

Awesome units guys )
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Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Post by COOLguy » Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:31 am

Great images!
Darkknight wrote:The images looks nice but i think it will look better if they had thiner swords. They currently look like they have a high attack because of thier swords
That may be right, in that they are very dissimilar to the ones used by the Shielders. Could you try editing the swords? Maybe change the hilt to be like the original shielder's? Or thin the tip of the blade?
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Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Post by Alexander82 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:39 am

That wouldn't be a great problem, i can just paste that one on it, i just thought it was pointless.

The first shielder is basically a swordman unit with a big shield and defender/guardian are just the shielded version of broadswordman and man at arms, i think they are better with the original weapon. If you still think i should make some with thinner sword i'll make you tomorrow.
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Re: Upgrade for the shielder - Tower Shield Shielder

Post by TheBluePhoenix » Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:44 am

I feel that the soldier in shielder is parallel to the shield while the defender/gaurdian are both slightly in a different orientation . I feel due to this they look a bit wierd
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