Genoese crossbowman - IMPLEMENTED

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Genoese crossbowman - IMPLEMENTED

Post by balint » Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:18 pm

A national unit
Variant 1
turns to train: 3-4
has more damage than crossbowman
has high pierce armor, around 10
Normal armour is medium 2-4
can attack every second turn,
Can't move/attack after attack
maybe separate tech for it's training (like mercenary crossbowmans)
Effective against heavily armoured enemies


Another idea:
Variant 2
Has less damage than archers, but attack completely ignore armour and deal directly damage
all other stats are same
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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by COOLguy » Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:56 pm

Sounds good, but OP to the normal crossbow.

This was posted before he edited it - it looks good now. :)
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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by DoomCarrot » Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:45 pm

Wait, so you get the crossbow uphrade and it unlocks a super op unit as well that takes just as long to build? Sorry but I do not like this idea at all -1 :?
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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by Darkknight » Fri Dec 25, 2015 2:33 am

Some suggestions to make it less op:
1. It should be a seperate unit nit an upgrade for a crossbow archer
2. Make it have less armour (maybe 2 pierce armor and 1 armor)
3. Increase cost to 4

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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by TheBluePhoenix » Fri Dec 25, 2015 4:46 am

Then it becomes very similar to roman sagittauri
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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by DoomCarrot » Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:29 pm

But otherwise it defeats the entire purpose of crossbowmen...
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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by balint » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:13 pm

Sorry. Left out, that it can only shoot once every second turn. And after shooting it will be reloading and unable to move or attack
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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by COOLguy » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:42 am

Ohhhhh... :) That actually sounds good now. Not OP any more.
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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by DoomCarrot » Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:21 am

balint wrote:Sorry. Left out, that it can only shoot once every second turn. And after shooting it will be reloading and unable to move or attack

Well why didn't you say so? :lol:

Now I really like this idea, +1! :)
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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by balint » Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:25 pm

I was in a hurry when I posted it...
I edited it.
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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by TheBluePhoenix » Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:34 pm

But then too, it needs to jave something special to roman saggitauri
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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by COOLguy » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:03 pm

lol edited my post so I don't look unreasonable. ;)
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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by Darkknight » Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:45 pm

Why does it seems like the first post changed?

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Re: Geonese crossbowman

Post by COOLguy » Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:42 pm

balint wrote:I was in a hurry when I posted it...
I edited it.
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Genoese Crossbowman

Post by DoomCarrot » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:15 pm

History: The Genoese crossbowmen were an elite military corps of the middle ages, that hailed from the Italian city republic of Genova. They served as the main defenders of the city, but also served as mercenaries. They were one of the most well-respected military corps in Europe, even years after the introduction of black powder weapons. Genoese crossbowmen were known to inflict very heavy casualties, and played a decisive role in many land in naval battles throughout medieval history, including those of the first and third crusades. They were armed with a metal helmet, pavise, and crossbow made by the famed Balistai Corporation.

Gameplay Idea: I think we need more "mercenary" units, as money couriers are still not very useful, even with disbanded knights. I think adding a mercenary ranged unit that is more powerful than other archers, but requires money couriers, could help make a mercenary/money courier strategy more effective.

Cost: 3
HP: 20
Range: 6 (affected by master archery 1 and 2)
Attack: 12 (affected by master archery 1 and 2)
Armor: 1 (affected by archer armor 1 and 2)
P. Armor: 3 (affected by archer armor 1 and 2)
Move: 3
Sight: 8
Turns until vanish: 2
money couriers add +3 to vanish time

For gameplay reasons, I do not think it should be built in archery range. Maybe town center, or castles only?
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by MightyGuy » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:20 pm

very good! nice stats!
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by DoomCarrot » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:20 pm

I changed the stats a little bit while you were posting I think. :lol:

Are they still good?
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by Alpha » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:57 pm

Well done DoomCarrot!
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by MightyGuy » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:11 am

good job! :)
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by Alexander82 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:24 am

Nice idea ;)
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by DoomCarrot » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:00 pm

Lol, oops, just realized balint posted a topic about genoese crossbowmen a long time ago :lol:

Oh well, I think this idea is better honestly, but could we merge the topics anyways? Sorry :?
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by Alexander82 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:54 pm

sure, can you link me the other one?
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by MightyGuy » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:26 pm

viewtopic.php?f=81&t=2243

here, it's already accepted but i can't see the image
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by Alpha » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:18 pm

It does not have one. That's why you can't vote for it because its not ready yet.
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by MightyGuy » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:21 pm

Topic Merged
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by MightyGuy » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:24 pm

Image

The Genoese crossbowmen (Italian : Balestrieri genovesi ) were a famous military corps of the
Middle Ages , which acted both in defence of the Republic of Genoa , and as mercenaries for other Italian or European powers.
Armed with crossbows made in Genoa by the
Balistai Corporation, they fought both on land and in naval battles; notable cases of the latter are the battles of Meloria and Curzola . They came also from other parts of Liguria , but were trained and organized in Genoa .

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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by MightyGuy » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:25 am

Here's my Work image. Edited from Crusade Archer
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by Alpha » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:54 am

Looks AWESOME
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by DoomCarrot » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:27 am

It looks very good! However, is it possible to put a pavise in the image somehow? Because the pavise was basically what made the genoese crossbowmen OP in real life (thus the high pierce armor)
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Re: Genoese Crossbowman

Post by MightyGuy » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:00 pm

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like a mantlet? or a Shield?
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