TO-BE-JSONED Russian Cavalry

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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by Midonik » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:26 pm

Yes I guess.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:49 pm

Only in mounted version.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by Belfry777 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:27 pm

I can do with this arrangement.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by samuelch » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:29 am

Mounted stats
Cost:3 turns
Hp: 42
Speed:5 (3 while dismounted)
Attack: 8 bonus on infantries
Armor/P.armor=0/0
Ability:Mount, Dismount
Can capture Tcs while dismounted.
Penalty in snow tiles
Can move on forest tiles without penalty.
Infantries have bonus against the mounted one.
Can't get bonus armor in capturable buildings.

Dismounted stats
Cost:3 turns
Hp: 42
Speed:3
Attack: 8
Armor/P.armor=0/0
Ability:Mount, Dismount
No movement penalty on snow
Can capture Tcs
Can move on forest tiles without penalty.
Can get bonus armor in capturable buildings

New stats
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:33 am

Forgot to mention in second form that they don't have in dismounted form penalty on snow tiles.
Otherwise looks good.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by Belfry777 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:29 pm

well snow dose slow horses so the need a snow penalty on snow for both forms.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:19 pm

They ARE slower already in dismounted form than in mounted.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by Belfry777 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:31 pm

Yes but not in the horse-form, it needs to be changed.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:19 am

What needs to be changed?
They need to be faster than infantry in mounted form or otherwise there is no need in them.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by Belfry777 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:09 pm

In snow they need to be 1- slower then they would be on a normal tile.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:58 am

Only in mounted form.
Specifically for not so genious persons
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by Belfry777 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:19 pm

Yes do you have the final stats?
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:17 pm

samuelch wrote:Mounted stats
Cost:3 turns
Hp: 42
Speed:5 (3 while dismounted)
Attack: 8, bonus on infantries
Armor/P.armor=0/0
Ability:Mount, Dismount
Can capture Tcs while dismounted.
Penalty in snow tiles (-1 speed)
Can move on forest tiles without penalty.
Infantries have bonus against the mounted one.
Can't get bonus armor in capturable buildings.

Dismounted stats
Cost:3 turns
Hp: 42
Speed:3
Attack: 8
Armor/P.armor=0/0
Ability:Mount, Dismount
No movement penalty on snow
Can capture Tcs
Can move on forest tiles without penalty.
Can get bonus armor in capturable buildings

New stats
these ones.
Specifically for not so genious persons
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by Belfry777 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:52 pm

Hp needs to be lower for grounded calvery riders.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:48 pm

They have same hp as normal infantry (russian). No need to lower hp.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by Belfry777 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:54 pm

Sorry I have not been able to get on aoww since a bug report. These stats look good to me however we need a balance for this unit, I suggest the WW1 American horse riders. Or Roosevelt's "Rough Riders" of the Spanish american war.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:23 pm

They are balanced:
1. Lower speed on snow maps.
2. No abilities to deal good damage to tanks and such
3. Can't build anything (while regular infantry can and russian ones can build for example pontoon bridges with 2 hp and good armors (so it takes 2 shots to destroy it but medium and heavy tanks still insta kill it) for 1 turn for example)
4. Higher cost - 3 turns.
5. Need to dismount before capturing tc.

That is in comparing with regular 2 turn soviet rifle infantry.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by Belfry777 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:20 pm

It's balanced, but I think the other nations need something of this sort but that is just my opinion. Someone may start making JSON for this unit.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:09 pm

Others didn't have cavalry but for example germans must have better vehicles with lower cost that soviets.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by Belfry777 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:46 am

Well in WWI Calvary was used pretty much by all nation's just not WW2.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by makazuwr32 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:30 am

In WW1 yes. But our game about WW2.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by samuelch » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:46 am

Users of cavalry for combat in WW2:
Germany, Soviet Union, Italy, Poland, France, United States (only in Africa 1 division), Hungary, Greece, some others that I don't need to list.
Soviet Union is the number 1 user of cavalry.
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Re: Russian Cavalry

Post by Belfry777 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:51 pm

Okay this topic has ended.


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