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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby Puss_in_Boots » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:27 am

Fight the lazies out COOLfront!

Do it!

Post the images please. :mrgreen:
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby DoomCarrot » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:20 am

Yes, sorry for slow turn taking lol.... But it appears that I am in serious trouble...
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby DoomCarrot » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:25 am

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As you can see, COOLFront has rallied in the North as I feared, and has revealed a massive invasion force. I think I can hold him at my castle for a while, but my soldiers are mostly falling back and abandoning the northern TC.

My fleet has been mostly canned and controlled by many fire archers along his shores, and I am now on the defensive.
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby Puss_in_Boots » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:41 am

COOLguy could just kick back and win the battle with the double points rule. ;)

I'm kinda surprised by the size of his cavalry army despite the amount of siege factories he built.

He could use a transport boat to get troops across to that lone TC guarded by the assassin, but he needs to be very quick and cautious of the doom navy.
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby COOLguy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:43 am

Puss_in_Boots wrote:I'm kinda surprised by the size of his cavalry army despite the amount of siege factories he built.

heh heh heh
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby Sunrise Samurai » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:37 pm

Yeah, looks like the DCPRN has lost this round. Great job coolguy
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby DoomCarrot » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:07 am

Is Detros still active? It appears that me and COOLguy's game is speeding to a thunderous end. Detros would be COOLguy's next opponent
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby COOLguy » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:08 pm

Doom has been fighting with his ashigaru fairly effectively, but I think I might just have too many siege an heavy knights. :)
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby DoomCarrot » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:58 pm

My ashogari have fought a retreating battle across the forests taking cover in mantlets and emerging to hit important targets, but I am simply being overrun by his heavy knight charge. I might be able to hold him at my castle for a few turns, but that depends on how many siege weapons he has packed
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby Detros » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:38 pm

DoomCarrot wrote:Is Detros still active? It appears that me and COOLguy's game is speeding to a thunderous end. Detros would be COOLguy's next opponent

Yes, I am around, but watching just this thread and not playing much in the meantime.
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby COOLguy » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:59 pm

DoomCarrot wrote:but that depends on how many siege weapons he has packed

... :twisted:
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby DoomCarrot » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:15 pm

Well, COOLguy is very close to the double point limit, so it is possible that a winner will be declared in the next day or two
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby DoomCarrot » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:39 pm

I am defeated....

End of my last turn:

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There was no way I could win this, COOLguy has utterly overwhelmed my defences, and is pressing in on every side. He destroyed my castles, and made the double point limit.

However, this was an EXCELLENT game. No seriously, this was honestly the best way I could hope to go out in this tournament Besides losing to the pectorate, but I digress

Early game was interesting. COOLguy had a definite tc advantage, but was forced to spread himself very thin in order to get it. That allowed me to strike decisive hits against weakspots in COOLfront, and there were multiple moments in the game where I equaled the tc count. We both made some really good moves (me positioning an assassin and using it to destroy his first castle, invasion force taking his northernmost capital city, COOLguy was wise to focus his endgame in the North where I did not have the strength to stop him), and we also made some really bad moves (COOLguy leaving his castle open to assassins, me wasting my northern legion by trying to land an invasion party in the north).

There were multiple moments in this game where the tides began to turn against each of us. However, one of my critical weaknesses was my lack of places to build castles. COOLguy was wise to play purely defensive after his initial failure to bridge into my territory, and focus almost solely on taking advantage of his castle-buildable land to eventually overpower me with siege weapons. Had COOLguy succumbed to my frustrating orthnicopter raids on his siege workshops and such and decided to play more aggressively, I actually think I would have won this game.

Excellent game COOLguy, as much as a despise the pretentions of the pectorate, I must acknowledge that you were a worthy opponent. I also feel like this game proves that all is not lost just because you have access to a few less tcs than your opponent. There are so many other factors and strategies that come into play in AoS, and close tourney games really allow these aspects to shine. :)

Oh, and this game also proved that walls are not useless in a competitive setting. :P
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby DoomCarrot » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:41 pm

Brackets are updated! Detros v COOLguy may commence!

Duneix and tamtam get to wait out another round, sorry guys, hope you remember to keep checking this topic regularly so you don't miss your games when they finally come up, that is what you get for playing well :lol:
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby COOLguy » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:53 am

Wow What a game. I will say that this match was nearly never a foregone conclusion to either side. I imagine that I had the advantage overall, but the battle came down to strategy and tactics. I will break this match into parts and evaluate Doom like we did last tourney :)

1) The Opening
This was the beginning moves until all the towns were occupied. I opted for a highly aggressive stance in the hopes of quickly overwhelming or intimidating Doom. I bridged the river and went for the north as fast as I could. I achieved both goals but was forced back across the river and was infested with snakes that kept invading my towns. Doom focused on building labor and fortresses. I was probably my weakest at the end of the opening. My southern army was decimated and unfortified and my frontier was wilderness. I did well in my land grab but failed to calculate the snakes and committed too many men to attacking. Doom did well to build himself up and fortify as well as the amazing wall move, but I believe he could have been a little more tactical to counter my northern move and maybe even thwart it in which case I would have lost.

2) The Standoff
During this phase Doom and I focused on fortifying, inventing tech, and planning invasion forces. Doom researched skirmies and birds and catapults. With his fortifications he destroyed my seaward forces gaining naval control, surprisingly. I threw everything into cats and gunpowder with sides of crossbows. I was slowly losing resources to Doom but had to play for the win. I built my worker force globally and constructed one trireme to guard my center. As side thoughts I began investing in birds and fire archers to deter Doom's future threats. In the north, I constructed castles while I feinted an attack encouraging a controlled front. I also hit upon the idea to build an invasion force of heavy knights since Doom had zero anti-cavalry. I did good in developing my strengths to quickly build castles but should have developed more to defend my southern coast. Doom did very well in controlling the seas but did not use it to the fullest extent since I was able to keep him away from my weak center with one ship.

3) The Invasions
Doom launched several waves of attacks. His use of battering rams and wagons was excellent. Unfortunately, he struck a bit too soon and in piece meal fashion. He attacked the north with a group of skirmishers and an assassin. He then launched an invasion at my center. However, I was able to hold on long enough to slowly beat him off and regain town control. I also used battering rams in the south and my cannons began to come online.I think that Doom might have been successful had he waited a bit and launched all his men at the south after hitting my north castle. I did well in keeping my cool and holding onto my strategies until I fought him off. Psychological war was also a bonus since Doom never accurately understood the forces I had. Doom did well with the assassin, but was a bit too preemptive in his attack.

4) The Endgame
After beating off Doom's invasions I had only to wait for the end game to claim victory. I encouraged him to continue his assaults and built up my siege engines to prepare for my own. I began to be more aggressive in the north by expanding my fortifications. I also kept him from building additional castles and destroyed his trebuchets with my birds. Not sure if he ever caught on. Finally, I launched an assault with amassed cannonry, trebuchets, and heavy knights much to Doom's shock. With a portion of my production, I was creating an average of 1 trebuchet, 1 cannon, and 1 heavy knight per turn.

This was a good game and DoomCarrot is a worthy opponent. I look forward to facing him again and am overjoyed that the Protectorate has begun to revive against the threat of the DCPR. I now await Detros.
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby DoomCarrot » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:20 pm

Good review, and I had no idea you ever had orthnixopters :lol:
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby Detros » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:07 pm

What a great game. Which turn was the last one?

@CoolGuy: Send me a PM with map details when you are ready, please. Rather wait for this Sunday first as I am going to be too busy to start playing tomorrow. Thanks.
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby COOLguy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:07 pm

Detros: I hath pmed you this very morning

The last turn was 45
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby Detros » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:16 pm

COOLguy wrote:Detros: I hath pmed you this very morning

The last turn was 45

Good, I was going to ask you if you are ready for a new match.
Though, I don't see any new PM in my Inbox here.

EDIT: I have sent PM to you, try replying with map details, please.
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby Detros » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:38 pm

This time the PM arrived and I have joined the game, thanks for creating it.
Planning now...
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby DoomCarrot » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:12 pm

Good luck, may the odds be ever in your favor :)
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby Detros » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:36 pm

It is Dead Canyon, 35x35, Reveal, Normal amount of TCs, No techs, Few starting units.
I had a busy day so sorry for longer planning phase, COOLguy. I will move in few hours. Christmas can be such a rush hour all day through...
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Re: Carrot Cup 2017! --Ongoing--

Postby DoomCarrot » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:28 pm

Yay, a map I made and am very proud of :P

Btw, its "dry canyon" ;)

Good luck to both!
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