Grenades on Most Infantries

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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Belfry777 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:31 am

Looks like a good run down. Good job sam!
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by samuelch » Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:52 pm

I am thinking to make all grenades have 100% hit chance to reduce luck based in AoWW. All grenades will have more cooldown instead. But you can always reduce the cooldown I with supply stash. http.www.ageofstrategy.net/viewtopic.php?f=1 ... f36b8c94a4
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Midonik » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:03 pm

OK,so I make the JSONs for anty-infantry grenades (not at yet) and send them to Daniel. I increased all grenades cooldown per 1 and make accuracy 100% (HAFTHOHLLADUNG too,sorry for capital letters), is it OK?
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by samuelch » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:06 pm

Let's see it in game.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Belfry777 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:07 am

Yes 100% chance of hitting for grenades is a great idea, Their will be more units that have chance or luck.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Midonik » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:48 pm

Without accuraty penalty panzerjagers granade needs rebalancing,becoue it have same cooldown and lower damage.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Belfry777 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:11 am

I was talking about the other guys.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by samuelch » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:52 am

Soviet RGD-33
3 turns cooldown.
Can be upgraded to RG-42 grenade with lower cooldown.
8 damage to infantries
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by samuelch » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:53 am

Does Soviet use at grenades? I can't find it.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:23 am

In second half of war they used special ones.
At the beginning they used a pack of 5-7 RD-33 binded into big one.
They were pretty effective but because you need 5 regular grenades they cost more.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Belfry777 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:35 pm

Sounds good, do you have a link to prove this though?
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:21 am

Only on video right now. In russian language.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Belfry777 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:11 pm

okay I believe you, someone may commence on the image.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:57 am

Also i think that these "at" for soviets must deal same damage but with 30-40% chance that they will do no damage to tank.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Belfry777 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:33 pm

How come a 40% chance not to hurt a tank?
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:14 pm

i think 30% is more realistic i must say
because in war about 68% of these at grenades damaged tank. and damaged pretty heavy.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Belfry777 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:02 pm

well 30% chance is a good percent for a miss shot.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by samuelch » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:22 pm

Made the jsons.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Hyacintho » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:26 pm

Cool. I can add them to the paratrooper now.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by samuelch » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:49 pm

Still need to be check if it works or not.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Hyacintho » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:15 am

I'll do that as well. Though I'm not exactly the type of person who should be checking JSON files for errors.

The names of the grenade JSONs should be changed to better fit the overall code of the game. I can do that soon.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Hyacintho » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:42 am

Changed the names to look more JSON like and fit better with the game. I'll examine them closely here soon. I think in the next couple days these will be implemented.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Hyacintho » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:19 am

I think I've found an issue with the effectTargets area of the JSON. You have lasted each individual category that the grenade can effect, when from what I have seen and read the only terms that can be used in that area are ENEMY, FRIENDLY, or ME.
FOR EXAMPLE:
"effectTargets":["ENEMY", "U_INFANTRY_AT", U_INFANTRY"}
However, if I am wrong, and this area of the JSON can support individual unit categories, I feel it would be much simpler to use the DOC categories instead of each individual unit category.
FOR EXAMPLE:
"effectTargets":["ENEMY", "DOC_INFANTRY"}
If this works, this would cover all infantry types, eliminating the need to list individual unit categories.
Another thing I have noticed is the fact that all unit abilities that deal damage in AoWW and AoF (that I have found) do not list the damage done in the JSON for the effect, but list in its place an EFFECT_AFFECT thing. I tried to find one of these EFFECT_AFFECT files that I believe determine the damage done by the ability, and those who receive it (the PanzerJager special ability can only target tanks.)
If someone could help me find one of these files, or help me create a new one for these grenade JSONs, I would much appreciate it. If I could add these files to the JSONs, I think it would make these grenade abilities work a bit better than they would in their current form. Especially if the "effectTargets" area is limited only to the 3 terms I mentioned above, and cannot support unit categories like the DOC ids.
P.S. I DID find an ability built very similar to these grenade JSONs. It was the Cannon Special ability in AoF. It was the only special ability I could find that dealt damage to an enemy unit and did not have the EFFECT_AFFECT term listed in place of its damage.

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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Midonik » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:12 am

In fact, in effect you can use only FRIENDLY, ENEMY, ME, but I might be wrong about that. The effect_affect determinate effect of albitly, for example damage, as well as who it can effect, with categories. So yes, you need that JSON. I will sent you torpedo one, it works similar to grenades. Actually, you should have had it in assets...
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by samuelch » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:24 am

Json at grenades
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Hyacintho » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:35 pm

Thank you, Midonik. I looked everywhere in the assets folder of AoWW, AoF, and AoS, but I didn't find a single one.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by samuelch » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:59 pm

Ap grenades. Also which line will be the display name?
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Hyacintho » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:48 pm

TECHNOLOGY STIELHANDGRNATE:

(I changed the JSONs a little.)

Targets: Infantry, Non Combat vehicles.
Damage, 8
Bonuses: 50% infantry, 20% non-combat vehicles.

I changed the image, what do guys think?

I'll work on the M2 grenade next. Let's do them one at a time, and then give them to the infantry units that need them.
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Midonik » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:51 pm

You listed bonuses, but not the damage...
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Re: Grenades on Most Infantries

Post by Hyacintho » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:52 pm

Edit on the last post.
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