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tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by balint » Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:23 pm

shield wall: if 3 ore more units stands bext to each other they enter shield wal state. this incrase their armor and pierce armor by 4.

hoplite:
shield wall tech is required to build, shield wall incrase their attack and armour.
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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by max-damage » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:17 pm

Sounds cool, but it would probably work better as a (greek) phalanx...they wouldn't be able to do anything else while in formation, though, right? If they break formation, they'd all lose the buff...wouldn't it only apply to hoplites?
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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by balint » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:18 am

no, because any troops can form up in a shield wall.
what avout this: shield wall gives 2 armor and 2 pierce armor, and then unlock the phalanx rech, which lets your hoplizes form up in a phalanx, so rhey gain 4 armor and 4 pierce armor and maaybe 1 power at thr cost of 1 movement.
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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by max-damage » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:08 pm

4 is way too much...how about any (alike) units that form a shield wall get+1 on both armors, and after the tech, hoplites get a +2? That's still a big bonus without being out of control....
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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by balint » Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:38 pm

what about 1 for the simple soldier, 2 with phalanx for them and 3 for hoplites?
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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by max-damage » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:23 pm

3 is still pretty high for the hoplites, especially since their armor class is already high to begin with...let's see what someone else has to say about it...

And i would think the phalanx would be a unit-specific maneuver...it was created by ancient Greek militia, after all...
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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by balint » Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:31 am

the hoplite I was talking abiut would be a new unit....
with quite low stats to begin with. the spartans only form up in a shield wall.
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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by max-damage » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:43 pm

balint wrote:the hoplite I was talking abiut would be a new unit....
with quite low stats to begin with. the spartans only form up in a shield wall.
Oh, okay...if it's a new unit, you'll need to come up with a new name...hoplite has already been used...but that might work...
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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by balint » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:47 pm

yes, but that is spartan.
spartans only used the shield wall (as I know it...)
this would be a good all rounder (good and bad in everything)
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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by max-damage » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:53 pm

Still, to avoid confusion, the new unit would need a new name...it's hard enough to keep track of all the different units, already...especially on a battlefield with a couple of thousands units on it...like our last match...
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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by Alexander82 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:07 pm

Why don't consider another mechanic?

When you research that skill any non-mounted unit armed with a shield receive a bonus to his armor equal to 0,5 for any other adiacent unit that satisfy the same requirements

Any unit receive at max a +2 max bonus to armor and you really need to put a real shield formation to receive a decent benefit (2 units just provide a 0,5 so they don't give any bonus)
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Unit tech: swordsman & (spartan) hoplite ability

Post by The Pendulum » Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:43 pm

So, workers and healers both have secondary actions you can cycle through (building and healing respectively) and I was thinking, perhaps for the Men-at-arms as well as the spartan hoplites, if they could have another ability such as "shield wall" that would (for example) give an added armor (or pierce armor) bonus for that turn, therefore ending that units turn.

Of course, this night make them too strong, BUT, you could always add abilities to say, knights or chariots, like Cavalry Rush, to increase the damage bonus modifier by 'x' % towards man-at-arms or Spartans.

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Re: Unit tech: swordsman & (spartan) hoplite ability

Post by COOLguy » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:37 pm

This may be a repeat of viewtopic.php?f=79&t=1365
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Re: Unit tech: swordsman & (spartan) hoplite ability

Post by The Pendulum » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:26 am

I definitely saw that post after I submitted mine. Sorry. Small text on Android makes me miss things!

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Re: Unit tech: swordsman & (spartan) hoplite ability

Post by COOLguy » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:32 am

No worries. Daniel will merge the two topics eventually.

Sometimes a search will help to see if the topic has been posted already (try a few different key words to check), but even then it is easy to miss things and double topics come up. :)
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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by Stratego (dev) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:49 am

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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by Alexander82 » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:12 am

I think that now might be the right time to implement this tech:

At first we should decide if we want to make this skill affect any unit with a shield of if we prefer to make oplite affect other oplite and legionaries affect only legionaries.

I.e.

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If we want the skill to affect any unit that equip a shield we might give a bonus of 0.1 armor and 0.2 pierce armor for any other unit in a range of 3 (image 1)

If we prefer to leave this skill only for historycal units i suggest to split it in 2 different skills:

Phalanx: This is a formation used in the ancient greece and it will mostly give armor (not pierce): Affecting units like the oplites, wich are costy, i believe that this skill should be focused to give is maximum effect with a few units. I think that the skill should provide +1 armor for any other oplite in a range of 1. Even though oplite are costy a bonus of 4 for the unit in the center (image 3) might be too much, so we might set a cap of +2 or +3 for the bonus or we might decide to make the bonus a straight +2 to armor regardless the number of oplites in range. I would give no bonus to pierce armor because oplite already have an high one and because in ancient greece the most of the battle was fought melee. We might think about an attack bonus, because a similar formation would help making counterattacks too enemies.

Testudo: This roman formation might provide mostly a good protection from arrows, Legionaries are cheaper than oplites so we might divide the bonus on a good amount of units. I think that we might use a range of 2 (image 2) and give a 0,5 bonus to pierce armor for any other legionary in range with a bonus cap of 2 and a 0,3 bonus to armor with a cap of 1. As for the oplites we might also think to give a bonus to damage.
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Phalanx

Post by benedictarnold » Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:50 pm

It would be a cool effect if hoplites that are adjacent to one another get some kind of defense/attack boost.

My understanding of the hoplites fighting tactics is that they would primarily fight as a unit, in a formation known as a Phalanx. This allowed them to increase defense with a shield wall, and commit other troops primarily to offense (since they are behind the shield wall and well defended).

So maybe an attack/defense boost, or maybe the shield wall makes counter attacks impossible?

Something like that would make the hoplites a valuable unit. As it is now I never use them because they cost so much and can be defeated pretty easily by a knight or catapult.

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Re: Phalanx

Post by COOLguy » Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:58 pm

Please make sure that you check for topic threads before posting. I think that this is essentially a repeat of viewtopic.php?f=79&t=1365

It is a good idea, just be sure to avoid posting doubles.
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Re: Phalanx

Post by benedictarnold » Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:11 pm

My bad, didn't search first. Newbie mistake!

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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by Stratego (dev) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:32 am

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Re: tech: shield wall and joplite

Post by balint » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:35 pm

Daniel, would it be solveable what Alexander said?
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