Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

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Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by samuelch » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:56 pm

When selecting a unit, it will also show a bonuslist of the unit. It will help player to not open the full (sometimes long) list in the full description to calculate the total damage again. It will also clarify a unit type.
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:37 pm

i really like this
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by godOfKings » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:54 pm

wat about combined like horse archer? or lancer?
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:03 pm

godOfKings wrote:
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wat about combined like horse archer? or lancer?
they should have 2 icons i guess
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by samuelch » Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:09 pm

I really think this is needed. Some more things can be added. Effect on attack (poison or burning icon), owner's name and his team, and active buff plus debuff
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by LordOfAles » Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:12 pm

I do agree that this would be one of most useful features for heavy strategists. Clicking on unit description and scrolling all the way down is getting very, very tedious. Especially if it has to be done every minute.
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by samuelch » Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:15 pm

Some icons
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Patrol3110 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:17 pm

I do agree, for people like me who don't bother memorizing every stat of every unit and their bonuses, this would be very useful.
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by LordOfAles » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:53 pm

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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Stratego (dev) » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:55 pm

there is no space for that sorry.

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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by LordOfAles » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:07 pm

Why not make it toggleable in options? That way people that don't want it on screen can turn it off. Space isn't a problem, perhaps even make the image smaller.
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Stratego (dev) » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:13 pm

actually there is no any space for it.
make a screenshot and try to put there you will see.

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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by LordOfAles » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:26 pm

I think samuelch can provide you with screenshot. @samuelch?
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Stratego (dev) » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:44 pm

also we have 30-40 categories already.
also Alexander plans to split them up to have more.

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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by samuelch » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:05 pm

I think there are still lots of space
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Stratego (dev) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:09 pm

ok, please make a concept to the image, image was deleted somehow tough - but i have not seen on it anything.
also please big image put to outer link.

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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by samuelch » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:39 pm

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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Stratego (dev) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:32 pm

sorry but definitely too much covered from the game imho

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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:29 am

We can shrink the images to 8x8 pixels and then put them inside the info already there. Otherwise use those smaller images besideds selected unit with good amt of transparency and an off setting.
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Endru1241 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:51 am

Actually, the real problem with unit bonuses is that sometimes it's a long list and contains few units which are hard to categorize.
So how to place single units in bonus list? Let's try to fit bonuses for cannoneer (after some revising and category unification): +100% to buildings and siege machines, +500% to spaceship, +150% to siege ships, +200% to fortifications, +700% to mega buildings, +1500% to castle.
OK, we can skip spaceship, but what about the rest?
How to place that many bonuses?
How do we make castle icon, so it wouldn't look like mega building icon?
How do we know which units we have to make icon for if bonuses can change for strategic need? Do we have to make one for every unit?

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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:02 am

Well there was a damage calculator planned, so maybe we should drop this and pursue the more efficient UI option.
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:04 am

That is why we plan to remove generic bonuses from units and leave only specialised ones for anti-units in aof.
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Please when you ask to change something argument why do you want that change. ...
Put some numbers, compare to what other races have and so on. Some real info why it must be done.
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:41 am

we should not remove generic bonuses imho. (if u mean eg. pikeman against cavalry)

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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:30 am

No. Pikemen, skirmisher and such have specialized bonuses. They are specifically designed to be anti-something and they are not so common units.
Generic bonuses are like "non anti-cav cavalry has bonus to all infantries" or "all archers have bonus to all infantries" or "most regular infantries have bonus to buildings".
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Please when you ask to change something argument why do you want that change. ...
Put some numbers, compare to what other races have and so on. Some real info why it must be done.
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:41 am

"all archers have bonus to all infantries" or "most regular infantries have bonus to buildings"

these seems totally ok based on the stone-paper-scissors logic inherited from AOK

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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:39 am

The reason for removal of such bonuses are next:
1. We want to make all buildings more tough and not one shottable by basic infantry in aof;
2. Alex wants to go logic-wise bonuses and because for archers he wants bonuses to all unshielded human-sized units. If unit has shield than no bonus. This means that most cavalry, archers themselves and many more units will become much easier killabe by range. Other variant is not giving basic archers any bonuses at all and define only via armor and dodges.
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Put some numbers, compare to what other races have and so on. Some real info why it must be done.
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:28 pm

lets not talk about it here, it is off topic here, i have talked a lot with Alex about it, and i not suggested to make differentiation of shielded or not , that should not be defined with bonuses or ack of bonuses - that is a simple bigger "armor" setting. (shilr -> bigger armor value).
this was one thing to "simplyify" the planned complexer bonus setup - i do not suggest to have many kind of bonuses only the "must" should be put by bonuses (eg. an extra shield thing have its own property already)

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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:38 pm

We actually want to lower amount of bonuses and keep them only on specialized units.
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Put some numbers, compare to what other races have and so on. Some real info why it must be done.
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Re: Quick Bonuslist from Selecting a Unit

Post by LordOfAles » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:39 pm

Still off-topic.
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