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Roman Auxiliaries - IMPLEMENTED

Post by DoomCarrot » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:14 pm

Ok, so this is inspired by the recent discussion of a Roman Garrison and that we need "more units."

It should be noted that I had no idea where to put this topic, you'll see why. ;)

To start, Roman Auxiliaries were basically non-Roman troops that were recruited from Roman controlled regions, such as the Middle East, Gaul, England, Spain, Africa, etc. They were basically used as filler troops to support the main legionairres/cavalry regiments/archers. Auxiliaries didn't necessarily have any particular roles, wore no particular armor, and carried no particular weapons. However, they were almost always mounted, footmen, skirmishers, or archers. They most often had oval shields and some sort of chain/leather armor. They traditionally were given a Roman styled helmet.

Auxiliaries were not dependable though. Although they were certainly effective soldiers in many situations, they often fought traditionally according to their culture.

Now stay with me: :lol:

My idea for this unit is a set of units. There could be 4 units (Auxiliary skirmisher, archer, cavalry, footman). All are about just as powerful as a 3-cost unit, all are affected by Roman bonuses, and all have their certain strengths and weaknesses. You cannot choose which one you want to build. Rather, you can simply recruit an "Auxiliary." The unit that is produced is chosen at random from the 4 possible units. Thus, it is a gamble, but possibly one worth taking to build a balanced Roman army, just as the Romans did. :)

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Now we need stats and images for each unit. How do people feel about this?
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Re: Roman Auxiliaries

Post by COOLguy » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:51 pm

That's pretty cool. :)
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Post by RiverRaider 1097 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:23 am

Very Cool, maybe your units could work in through the peasants and house units offered in this vote round? Seeing how they are aux.?
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Post by DoomCarrot » Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:32 am

I don't really know what you mean, can you elaborate?
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Post by Darkknight » Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:15 am

Very interesting idea :D
But what will the stats be like?

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Post by DoomCarrot » Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:40 am

I was thinking the units would basically be as follows.

Mounted Auxiliary = slightly altered light cav (5 move and just slightly more powerful).
Footman Auxiliary = macemanish strength (maybe slightly different bonuses and one or two minor stat changes).
Archer Auxiliary = roman saggitarus (almost identical here, just a different image....)
Skirmisher Auxiliary = master skirmisher (3-4 range, similar bonuses, similar armor/stats)
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Re: Roman Auxiliaries

Post by First_Speaker » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:55 am

This is an awesome idea! I would vote for this.
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Post by RiverRaider 1097 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:31 am

Sorry Doom, just realized your units are from around the middle east, I was thinking just around the block..never mind )
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Post by DoomCarrot » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:06 am

Oh, yeah, auxiliaries kinda came from all over. It's basically the Roman version of mercenary :)
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Post by RiverRaider 1097 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:04 pm

I see, these units could come by dock then possibly?
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Re: Roman Auxiliaries

Post by DoomCarrot » Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:14 pm

Hm, that's actually an interesting idea... I don't know if this particular unit would make a good "mercenary" unit to be recruited at docks. Being Roman-based, and all :?
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Post by First_Speaker » Tue May 10, 2016 8:47 pm

Started on artwork because I think this is a great idea!

Any suggestions welcome, standby for cavalry, skirmisher and footsoldier drawings.
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Re: Roman Auxiliaries

Post by DoomCarrot » Wed May 11, 2016 12:54 am

Hm, not bad. I think the skirt should be a little more pronounced, and he should probably be wearing a roman-styled helmet, but it looks good otherwise! :)
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Post by First_Speaker » Wed May 11, 2016 3:54 am

How's this look?

I added a bit to the helmet (including team colour) and lengthened the skirt.
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Post by First_Speaker » Wed May 11, 2016 6:21 am

Roman Auxiliary 2 (skirmisher).
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Post by First_Speaker » Wed May 11, 2016 9:14 am

Roman Auxiliary 3 (Light Cav with spear)

I would've liked to make the spear longer but... Such is life.
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Post by DoomCarrot » Wed May 11, 2016 1:38 pm

They look good! As far as the archer, I would suggest making the helmet shinier maybe, as it looks like he has grey hair :)

And I THINK you are allowed to go above 32 pixels in height if the spear woukd look better longer.
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Post by First_Speaker » Thu May 12, 2016 5:32 am

Yeah, good point.

OK, here are the reworked Roman Auxiliaries. Let me know what you think. I have made the cav and the swordsman 32 × 34; I hope this is allowed. :?
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Re: Roman Auxiliaries

Post by First_Speaker » Thu May 12, 2016 5:36 am

And the swordsman...

Not 100% happy with it but wanted to post to see if I was at least on the right track. Personally I think the sword is too thin. Any other suggestions?
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Re: Roman Auxiliaries

Post by DoomCarrot » Thu May 12, 2016 12:01 pm

The cavalrynlooks much better! The swordsman could use a bigger sword though... Perhaps a different stance would allow more room for a sword?
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Post by DoomCarrot » Thu May 12, 2016 4:29 pm

Actully, looking at the units again, I'm wondering if maybe the units with shields would look better with large oval shields? (kinda like in one or two in the pictures)
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Post by First_Speaker » Fri May 13, 2016 2:30 am

Agreed. Spent a little time making some minor tweaks and got to this stage. Thoughts?
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Re: Roman Auxiliaries

Post by DoomCarrot » Fri May 13, 2016 3:03 am

I still think the skirmisher/swordsman shields don't look quite as oval shaped as in the pictures, but everything else looks good to me!
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Post by First_Speaker » Sat May 14, 2016 10:58 am

How's this?
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Post by DoomCarrot » Sat May 14, 2016 1:27 pm

Much better! :)
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Post by RiverRaider 1097 » Sat May 14, 2016 4:07 pm

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Re: Roman Auxiliaries

Post by First_Speaker » Sun May 15, 2016 2:42 am

OK, so finalised images for melee units are these ones:
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Post by First_Speaker » Sun May 15, 2016 2:44 am

And ranged:
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Re: Roman Auxiliaries

Post by First_Speaker » Sun May 15, 2016 2:45 am

All that is left now (I believe) are stats and an image to produce the unit as from what I understand it randomly generates one of the four, thus we will need an image for the icon to select them to build. Is this correct?

Maybe for the image, we could make a Roman helmet or shield? Or perhaps the little eagle symbol that Roman troops get when they're near the centurion?

What do you guys think?

Also, statwise I think it should be basically as follows:
Cav- light cavalry but with similar bonuses as the lancer (ie good anti cavalry)
Swordsman-similar to maceman but slightly less attack and more armour
Skirmisher- advanced skirmisher but benifits from Roman bonuses
Archer-as DOOM said, basically the same as the Sagittarius.

Thoughts?
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Re: Roman Auxiliaries

Post by DoomCarrot » Sun May 15, 2016 12:05 pm

Spot on I think. I like the idea of making the cavalry lancer based actually. I think a roman symbol or helmet would be a good production image :)
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