Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

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Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:30 pm

Mounted Eagles pack:
Eagle Elf Archer
Eagle Quick Archer
Eagle Fire Archer
Eagle Elf Swordman
Eagle Elf Warrior
Stats:
33 Hp + unit hp
0/0 armor
Attack - same as normal unit's +1.
Range - same as normal unit's.
5 Speed
9 sight.

Affected by all elven craftsman's upgrades (bows for archers, swords for melee and armor for both)
Also loses Self Heal from Lembas upgrade.

To get this unit you need Eagle, preferred unit near it and a research "Mounting"
After mounting Eagle loses movement in this turn.

And elves will have something for a mid/late game...

Upd.:
Revamp of Eagles

Changed stats according to alex's suggestion.
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Re: Dragon Archer/Dragon Quick Archer/Dragon Fire Archer

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:39 pm

I've considered suggesting this a few times myself. Only thing, no need to reduce range. If anything​, added height should result in a range increase.

Also, it might be a better idea to give this to eagles, rather than dragons, since they really need to be given a reason to make them. If so, I suggest allowing them to benefit from dodge techs as well.
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Re: Dragon Archer/Dragon Quick Archer/Dragon Fire Archer

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:07 pm

Alright.
But they then must have increased health by 11 i think (by archer's health)
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Re: Dragon Archer/Dragon Quick Archer/Dragon Fire Archer

Post by Ayush Tiwari » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:20 pm

I like the idea,but it will need armour I hope,however,it doesn't need p.armour.
Can I try out any image for it?
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Re: Dragon Archer/Dragon Quick Archer/Dragon Fire Archer

Post by Ayush Tiwari » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:21 pm

Also add this:can be built from the Great Tree
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Re: Dragon Archer/Dragon Quick Archer/Dragon Fire Archer

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:28 pm

Of course you can to make any images! because as for now i'm bad at drawings.
also i don't think that they need to be buildable in the great tree.
And because this unit is flying, than i don't think that it need any armor at all. Arrow Dodge maybe. But i still think that this will be too OP.

Edit: updated first post, Added +1 damage to all 3 variants.

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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:03 pm

Updated theme name, updated a bit first post.

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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by Ayush Tiwari » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:10 am

I think you're right,flying unit with range is tough thing
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:55 pm

Could you add sentinels to the list of units that could mount eagles? They would be much more effective against cavalry if they were no longer infantry, and flight would be an added bonus. The resulting 10 cost unit would be pretty impressive, but about right for the cost.
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by DoomCarrot » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:43 pm

interesting stuff, I like this idea, but it my be super op against races that have bad archers like undead
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:49 pm

Honestly, undead need some decent help that isn't cavalry. For goodness sake, the last decent​ addition was spirit tower, which actually made a huge difference, since it enabled them to have an equivalent to orcish giants that could survive longer than 3 turns. Not sure how phantoms will adjust things, but they really need a decent archer unit to be suggested.
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by makazuwr32 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:38 am

Actually i don't think that sentinel on eagles is a good idea.
1. archers are main force of elves.
2. archers have lighter armor compared to sentinel.
3. even for 11 turns (5 for eagle and 6 for sentinel) this unit would be extremly op for elves. I thought for sentinels about suggesting of mounting on elven dragons later as a new unit with new individual tech for them.
Also i prefer using sentinels not as a decent fighting unit but as a good tanking unit, finishing enemies unit and melee siege unit.
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by General Brave » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:45 am

First of all, are the elf small or the eagles are huge? It wouldn't make sense of the health increase.
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by makazuwr32 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:58 am

Eagles of Warcraft 3 are huge and are smaller than gryphons but just a bit. (825 hp of gryphons VS 600 hp of Eagles)
Eagle Archers gain health of both Eagle and archer - you are merging two units into one, so why hp should stay the same?

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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:04 am

It's weaknesses must be imperial spearmen, halberdier, uruk pikemen, goblin halberdiers, elf sentinels, and ... undeads don't have any long range polearms or good archers. It's only defense would be a mummy or Lich conversion.
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by General Brave » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:11 am

It's shouldn't gain that much and it move a bit slower. And also. Puss_in_boots. You forgot any range units that isn't Spears.
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by makazuwr32 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:17 am

Its weaknesses are any archer unit, vampires, gargoules, dragons and giants (from bone tower one, flesh golem...)
NOT a polearm land units. (How can they damage them so good? throw in the air thier spears?)
Also i thought about rebalancing of eagles.

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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:18 am

I already know bow and arrow will have some bonus on this thing, but I think polearm units should get a bonus as well. It is a mounted unit afterall; it only fits because drake knight gets the same weakness.
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by makazuwr32 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:19 am

No because they don't need to fly to point-blank range to attack in melee.

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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:22 am

Just don't get them in range, and they will be safe from polearm weapons. What is so gamebreaking about giving them a bonus to discourage players from arrogantly swinging in close by with range units?
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by makazuwr32 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:25 am

I just don't think that it is normal. Also if someone else will also vote for this then so be it.
But first thing first - everyone agreed with stats?

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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by Ayush Tiwari » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:34 am

Images almost ready.Only thing left is to fit the elf archers and quick archers and fire archers.But I need those archers image.I only have the eagle image right now.
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by LordOfAles » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:30 pm

We can use this image for mounted quick archer

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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:31 am

Great image LOA.

Typo in original post. "Can get armor upgrades" should be "can't" to avoid confusion.
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:48 am

Sunrise Samurai wrote:Great image LOA.
That was Makazuwr's image though...
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:17 am

Sunrise Samurai wrote:Great image LOA.

Typo in original post. "Can get armor upgrades" should be "can't" to avoid confusion.
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makazuwr32 wrote:I can do similar to this with two others if i'll find good originals.
Can someone help with images of Fire archer and Elf archer?
nice try but is not that good so we can use this - as it is only a montage.
we can not make these images by simply montaging.

you need to draw them "together" after montagign

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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:07 am

Oh. Guess I wasn't paying attention to who made it. Honestly looks alright to me, but ok.
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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:06 am

Waits images.
@Savra, @Lynx Shafir can someone of you two make images for them?

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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by Savra » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:50 pm

Maybe make it one archer so we don't have to wait so long on coding.

It would be elves unique flying cavalry.

Then I'll see what I can do.

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Re: Eagle Elf Archer/Eagle Quick Archer/Eagle Fire Archer

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:26 pm

It is not so hard to code but it is planned exactly that way.

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