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Magma Dragon

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:38 am

Magma dragon
More Defencive variant of Fire Dragon.

Cost - 9 turns, Trainable at Rune Mansion only. Counts as Giant. Doesn't fly. For producing you need to research a tech "Fire Binding" for 8 turns first (in Rune Mansion as well)
Hp - 120.
Attack - 20, 400% bonus to Mega Buildings, 1% bonus to ALL non-flying units (so 100% damage on counter).
Range - 1.
Armor - 5/10
Speed - 3 (1 on mountains)
Sight - 5.
Spell Resist - 100%
Abilities:
Elemental - It can't be affected by any buffs/debuffs (auras, spells...), can't be healed in buildings (only via spells!), can't be poisoned.
Can be slowed.
Burning weapon.
Incineration - Deals 30 magic damage to target adjust unit. Puts Burning on it if possible. 2 turns cooldown.
Lava Shield - Transform ability, Dragon gets +3 melee armor, +10 damage, looses attack range and all speed.
Incineration can be still used.

Can't be transported by Zeppelins or wagons. Also please make this unit unique to dwarves - no summoning or any way of getting it for other races.

Updated stats (lowered alternate form's bonus damage and armor, added cooldown to incineration ability, lowered armor)

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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by General Brave » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:32 pm

Nice image, and good abilities.
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by Lynx Shafir » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:51 pm

With 120 hp is far the strongest from dragons, (orc dragon 80 hp )
With such armor. Is really op
And even can get +6melee +20 attack is insane, Rushes trough an elven empire in no time, though her speed 3.
As unique unit has a chance.
Needs
Rune mansion isn't a basic building, than I'm agains it.
Less armor
Hp 100 is still good
Im nut sure if fits to dwarves
Wery weak to ice (we need frozing effect)

I think human and elven dragon need some hp pump.
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:56 pm

For both dragons there must be researched in mansion 8-10 turn tech, details will be later.

Also remember that bonus damage and armor is in stationary mode.
It can't get ANY buff or debuff. It can be only healed by priests and clerics. Also it counts as giant and elves have Sentinels which have currently +50% bonus damage to giants.
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by General Brave » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:59 pm

Stationary mode? Does it start spitting fire.
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:02 pm

General Brave wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:59 pm
Stationary mode? Does it start spitting fire.
makazuwr32 wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:38 am
Lava Shield - Transform ability, Dragon gets +6 melee armor, +20 damage, instantly restores 30 hp, looses attack range and all speed.
Incineration can be still used.
He can't attack directly any unit that is near him in this mode and can't move but he deals full damage on counter (alas maybe +20 damage is a bit too much, i'll lower it to 10)

Also can we make addition to "Disenchant" spell: it can deal 10 magic damage to units with "Elemental" ability?
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by Lynx Shafir » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:28 am

So is an upgrade of the fire.
who will resech this if have an average as good but lover cost.
May b change dragon name into smtg else
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Armor still hight.
Wat is the accepted dragon for dwars?
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:11 am

No it is not an upgrade.
It is different version and you need research to be able training BOTH Magma dragon and Fire Dragon (like for humans you need to research ballistics before you can build catapults)
Fire Dragon and Magma Dragon are like Uruk Hai and Olog Hai - Both are heavy melee units who can take lots of damage. Is Olog Hai an Upgrade of Uruk Hai? No. Same is here.

Fire Dragon is more offencive, has less hp and armor but more damage and special burning that affects EVERY unit in the game.
Magma Dragon is Defencive variant of is, has better health and armor, has ability to become a stationary wall and can damage enemy units without counter with his ability.
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by Savra » Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:42 am

So basically this thing can become a tower and turn into a, umm, ruin Dragon in kinda like a bone golden without vanishing.

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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:22 am

Yea. It becomes a wall with 100% damage counter and with ability to damage enemies. But he can't damage enemies via regular attack in this mode.
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by Savra » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:32 am

Do you have stats for its other form of did I miss something?

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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:40 am

makazuwr32 wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:38 am
Lava Shield - Transform ability, Dragon gets +3 melee armor, +10 damage, looses attack range and all speed.
Exept of these all its stats are the same as in normal form.
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by Savra » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:49 am

Oh, ok.

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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by Lynx Shafir » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:45 am

Quick draft.

Where put team color. Btw?
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:21 am

On shoulder spikes put team color.

the look of dragon i really like. needs some shading but concept is great.
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by LordOfAles » Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:36 pm

Ugh alpha channel is there but white background needs to be removed.
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by Lynx Shafir » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:07 pm

Too much?
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:15 pm

Needs a bit more polishing but teamcoloring is good.
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by LordOfAles » Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:09 am

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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by Savra » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:39 am

I think it looks fine, now you need the tower form and I think your set.

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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:05 am

Add flaming aura for that "tower form".
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Re: Magma Dragorn

Post by Lynx Shafir » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:14 am

Some minor correction at thorns
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by Lynx Shafir » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:17 am

U want second form as a glowing stone tower?
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:41 am

nope.
Just some sort of flaming aura around this one.
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by Lynx Shafir » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:54 am

Ok. Ill draw it

I got the idea of
Instead of fire dragon could have a ice twin.
So magma and ice.
What d u say
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Re: Magma Dragon

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:35 am

I will think about.
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