Skirmisher redesign

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Skirmisher redesign

Post by Endru1241 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:06 pm

Current Skirmisher line images aren't fitting well. He's too small and facing front on every image.
I made new ones.
What do you think?
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Patrol3110 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:13 pm

Only thing I would point out is that the shield may be too small, other than that it looks good, way better than original.
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by LordOfAles » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:16 pm

Shields are fine. It just needs better shading, that's all.
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by LordOfAles » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:20 pm

Something like this:

A little zoom in and there is a significant difference.
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Endru1241 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:45 pm

Here shaded:
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by LordOfAles » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:47 pm

This is better, thank you and good work.
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:28 am

Incredible, I was just thinking about redesigning them yesterday so that players don't think they're lame. Your work here is truly amazing!
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:51 pm

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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Endru1241 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:50 pm

There was something wrong with team coloring.
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by patroid » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:02 pm

Hi,
fixed shading and teamcolor.

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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Stratego (dev) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:11 am

something not fitting to me on these images - everyone likes better than current ones ingame?

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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by patroid » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:44 am

Hi,
well the position and pose the character is in seems a bit unnatural.

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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Stratego (dev) » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:49 am

i see these ingame (idk. where are yours from):
and i pretty much like the current ones, especially their shileds.
and i agree the legs a little weird, but fixing legs would be enough for me
(i say this because the drastical image changes result complaints from players and forumers lol :) )

but i am open to suggestions:
- who suggest the new ones ? (DRASTICALLY_NEW)
- and who suggest only the small fix of existant ones ? (POLISH_EXISTING)
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by patroid » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:20 am

Hi,
well one of those i had was the originaly the rest were already redesign ides.

i played a bit with refining the old image and using the new one / fixing it or even combining them.
anything there u like? if not i would do a 2 new attemps. One where i practically change the angle to be 3d of the current desing
and one new historical attemp.

or we simply decide we dont wanna change and i do some pretty simple polishing on the current image
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by StormSaint373 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:41 pm

Whooooaaaa!!!! Pretty cool!

This is indeed a hard decision... But in my opinion, I prefer the new skirmishers look with that polished shield (old design)

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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:12 pm

I like more look of completely new skirmishers.
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by patroid » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:58 pm

Hi,
Sooooooo

what now?

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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by godOfKings » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:32 am

I like all 4 at right of patroid's. The muscle of new design wasn't natural, by covering it under cloth, patroid perfected it.
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Endru1241 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:00 pm

I'm actually fine with any of them except the first two and the ones looking like current original at the center.
Current ones looks like a halfling and while we're shortening too tall units, we should also change ones too short.
The first two have frontal position and look kinda like slinger/old axe thrower and they don't/didn't fit imho (different art style ?).

Short explanation behind weapon look designed by me originally:
Most people often confuses three very different weapons
1. Spear - one of the most ancient weapons - basically a sharpened stick. Used for melee battle. Could be thrown in times of need (just the same as sword e.g.). Most commonly with the length of a little over 2 meters.
2. Javelin - a type of a shortened spear designed to be thrown (shifted weight closer to the head). Poor melee weapon, but still could be used as that. Could have as little as 80cm length.
3. Pike - very long spear - 3 meters at minimum, while longest could reach over 7 meters.

So comparing pikeman and skirmisher images I would like to see clear length difference in weapons.

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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:08 am

I like patroid's 7th image from left to right.
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Stratego (dev) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:19 am

ok lets put in the new appearance! (i hope there will be no topic about why we did it lol :) )

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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Endru1241 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:35 pm

OK, putting these (my images polished based by patroid's):
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Stratego (dev) » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:44 pm

normal and elite is not that different, can we make some extra something maybe on shield?
here how AOk did:
https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Elite_Skirmisher

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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Endru1241 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:14 pm

I though metal rimming will be more noticable.

Will this help?
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Stratego (dev) » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:39 pm

i still dont see, what about the shield:

1st level only wood
2nd level is chess like metal-wood (4 quarters)
3rd level full metal

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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Endru1241 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:54 pm

Renamed and added base one for better comparison:
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Re: Skirmisher redesign

Post by Stratego (dev) » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:58 pm

thanks! i like it! gooo!

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