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Myrmidon

Post by Savra » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:49 pm

Myrmidon
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Trained at barracks
Desc: The Myrmidons are known to carry out their kings orders without question. They constantly are out fighting on special assignments that no normal soldier can handle. They are Trained to adapt and right most any threat they come across.
Cost:3
Hp:20
Atk:9
Rng:1
Sight:4
Spd:3
Dge:30%/30%/30% his unique ability.
Arm:1
P.arm:1
Res:20%
Passive vetraning
Same bonus as Zurgo.

Not too op and modeled a bit like the Zurgo helmsmasher
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by Savra » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:04 pm

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Re: Myrmidon

Post by General Brave » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:34 pm

That looks like a officer uniform.
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by Savra » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:14 pm

Meh, looks nice. Besides technically myrmidons were well equipped for battle. Here they could be a special forces that constantly train both on and off the battlefield.

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Re: Myrmidon

Post by General Brave » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:13 am

I don't know what a Myrmidon.
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by Savra » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:38 am

These only more fantasy version that matches the humans theme.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/myrmidon

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Re: Myrmidon

Post by StormSaint373 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:10 pm

Most nerfed veteran...

Suggestion...

Increase stats to:

Hp: 24
Attack: 10

Add small leadership bonus (Fantasy spec-ops)
General Brave wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:34 pm
That looks like a officer uniform.
Savra wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:14 pm
Meh, looks nice. Besides technically myrmidons were well equipped for battle. Here they could be a special forces that constantly train both on and off the battlefield.
Special Forces are harder to come by, and should be more efficient from the get-go.

Right now, has lowest attack and hp combo with nothing to compensate.
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:13 pm

Sounds not so bad actually.
But i think he needs a bit higher attack. Maybe 9.
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by StormSaint373 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:19 pm

Too low for start, Zurgo has Attack of 11.

Myrmadon is not light infantry.
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:21 pm

It is fine. Humans have lower than orcs base damage.
Also he must be affectable by blacksmith upgrades.

Light infantry of humans are pikemen and their upgrades.
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by StormSaint373 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:23 pm

Veteran units aren't. Their ability compensates.

Melee damage should not be as low as elf. So either 9 or 10, but NOT 8.
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:43 pm

StormSaint373 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:23 pm
Veteran units aren't. Their ability compensates.

Melee damage should not be as low as elf. So either 9 or 10, but NOT 8.
makazuwr32 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:13 pm
Sounds not so bad actually.
But i think he needs a bit higher attack. Maybe 9.
That is why i suggested attack 9 for him.

Also normal swordmen of humans are not light infantry either.
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by StormSaint373 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:44 pm

Apologies, I thought you suggested something lower than 8. :lol:

But what about hp? It is lower than even Elf Vigilant.
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by Savra » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:26 pm

The zurgo helm smasher has attack 10. I can increase it to 9 but I modeled it after his the zurgo is to average orcs. He has 2 less attack then basic orcs. Now for uniqueness we could add something like a javelin ability with range 3, damage 6, does not affect vetraning bonus but still is quit useful.

As for health zurgo has 22.

Elf vigilant has 24 up but no melee armour.

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Re: Myrmidon

Post by StormSaint373 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:53 pm

IDK Savra, Myrmadon traditionally has javalin. But, with this unit, it just doesn't fit.

Maybe something else?
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by Savra » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:06 pm

Throwing knife, bola, strengthen, shield break, what?

Aura 1 strengthen?

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Re: Myrmidon

Post by StormSaint373 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:38 pm

Judging how the Myrmadon is armored and fights with a sword.

I say one of the following:

Leadership Aura: like Orc Chief, he does look like an officer...
Knife throw: highly lethal surprise, ignores armor (knives tend to slide through the chinks if you know what I mean)
Heal: 10 hp, self only
Strengthen: good on defense
Stunning Strike: renders an opponent unable to move or act for 3 turns (like curse but deals 10 damage and only in Melee range)
A build rate of 10: could work as hard as standard workers... "A man who bleeds in the trenches with his men"

These are my suggestions, if anyone else has ideas, post.

What do you think, Savra?
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:58 pm

I don't think he needs anything from this.
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by Savra » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:59 pm

Maybe might go with leadership aura rng 3. But we'll see what others think first.

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Re: Myrmidon

Post by Savra » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:01 pm

makazuwr32 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:58 pm
I don't think he needs anything from this.
So, in other words ready?

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Re: Myrmidon

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:08 pm

As for me yes.
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Re: Myrmidon

Post by Savra » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:18 pm

Good enough for me, @Alexander82

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Re: Myrmidon

Post by Savra » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:07 am

Updated.

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